Thousands of Muslims See Jesus In Dreams and Visions and Are SAVED!

Joel speaks of how people will see visions in the last days. There are reports of thousands of Muslims in Islamic countries seeing visions of Christ. What do you think about this?

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Comment by Darryl Willis on February 21, 2015 at 12:11am

Again, I agree with you in principle James. But I don't think we see any kind of parallel in Old or New Testaments that God sent visions exclusively to one particular people group who were "non-covenant" people. Sure we have Cornelius--but that is pretty exceptional. What we are seeing here is a phenomena that seems to be very unique.

It makes me very curious--not skeptical, just curious.

Of course, my curiosity may never be satisfied as to the "why"--I just find it very intriguing that this seems to be unique with those who follow Islam.

Comment by John Gentry on February 20, 2015 at 11:58pm

Whatever could this mean?  When it really happened, it was recorded in Acts 2.  The movie Shrek has more Bible in it than this video.  (Balaam's donkey spoke!)  Whether they see Jesus in dreams or not, they still must obey the gospel. (2 Thess 1:8)  And this isn't "putting God in a box."  Just stick to the Bible and leave the fables and fantasies alone.

Comment by James Nored on February 20, 2015 at 12:36pm

Good things to consider, Darryl. I like how you do not rule out God being behind this. Some put God in a box and think that they know exactly what he can and cannot do.

As to why this is happening to Muslims predominantly, according to reports--if we look in the OT and the NT, God did not send visions and prophecies to all peoples at the same time. He has plans for all peoples, but those plans often materialize at different times and different ways.

Yes, I agree that the last days in Scripture are not limited to the last two hundred years. But this to me, is not really here or there on this particular question.

Thanks for sharing!

Comment by Darryl Willis on February 19, 2015 at 10:34pm

First, I need to preface this with the statement that I do not wish to discredit any work of God. If God chooses to use visions and dreams to lead someone to him, I am not going to look up to the sky and shout, "Hey God, you can't do that!!! Who do you think you are?"

However, I think there are a couple of things that have to be considered. I have to agree with William Lloyd Cain. I admit that I have been raised a certain way to read scripture. But my training in biblical text also has influenced me. Peter's quotation of Joel 2 in Acts 2 makes it pretty clear that the "last days" began at Pentecost. I can't force fit Joel 2 into a dogma that is only 200 years old (Scoffield Pre-millennialism--please forgive the coining of a term and the terrible spelling). Joel is not talking about the generation before the second coming of Christ only as is interpreted by Harry Stone in the video.

I don't have to interpret Joel in this way to accept that God can send a vision to anyone he so chooses.And I certainly don't accept that God only in this generation is allowing women to receive his word or visions (remember the daughters of Philip?)! I don't think sexism was approved of any more by God in the first century than it is now (see Phoebe, Junia, and Prisca).

I have been hearing about the phenomena of visions among Muslims since the 1990s and I have found it interesting and intriguing. Is God sending these visions? Perhaps. Interestingly, Hasan actually attended a church and encounters a Christian--when he prays to God he sees the warring groups as God's people killing each other. He is already experiencing cognitive dissonance. He knew the basics of the gospel he says. His description of Jesus is rather typical of Renaissance art and Western culture. So it is clear he has been struggling with his theology and even considering Christianity--at least on a surface level.

So my take? First questions: why is it that Muslims are predominantly the ones who receive dreams and visions that lead them to Christ? I do not hear of Buddhists, Hindus or Atheists talking of receiving visions leading them to Christ.

Is there a cultural issue going on here?

Cognitive Dissonance happens in a Muslim struggling with Islam and Christianity and a vision resolves it--I assume it is harder to reason through the Koran that Jesus is Messiah and God, the son. If they do not accept the biblical text as authoritative, then where can they go? A vision opens the door to resolution and acceptance..

This isn't to say visions are made up. I believe the visions are real. But the sub-conscious mind is very creative at solving problems.

Now, did I just remove God from the equation? I don't think so. Again, I reiterate that if God is sending visions to Muslims, then praise his name! I will not say he can't do it or that he isn't doing it. But neither do I wish to jump to conclusions. 

Something is going on and that's certain.

I think it is entirely possible that God is behind both the cognitive dissonance that leads these men and women to experience the dreams. Certainly there are elements within many visions that cannot be explained just by the subconscious mind--e.g., the reference to Isaiah 22 when Hasan never heard of Isaiah. So perhaps the visions are the result of one's mind working through a problem--a conundrum--and God uses this phenomena and even enters into it.

I'm good with that. And if it's all a vision from God without the cognitive dissonance part--hey, I'm good with that, too! 

Comment by James Nored on February 19, 2015 at 7:51pm

Hi William. Thank you for your thoughts! Yes, I think that it is a fallacy to say that Scripture indicates that dreams and visions would cease in the 1st century. The apostles knew the Scriptures--but God still used dreams and visions even when they were around.

It seems that people have tried to put God in a box--and it is quite something to insist that we know exactly what God can and cannot, will and will not do. Thank you for sharing!

Comment by William Lloyd Cain on February 19, 2015 at 10:08am

Challenging thoughts presented here. Especially so since most of our brotherhood in churches of Christ hold to a different theology -- some of which I can't turn loose of. For instance, I do not think the "last days" spoken of in Joel's prophecy are talking about days just before Jesus' second coming. These last days began on Pentecost. However, the message in this video brings up the question whether God meant for dreams, visions, etc. to end in the first century. If they continue today, as suggested in this video, then how can we deny that God is still at work in marvelous ways, sometimes beyond our comprehension. Perhaps our brotherhood theology needs to be revised, at least to the extent that we will allow God to work in the 21st century world any way he wishes. May we come to rejoice that many people are coming to know Jesus even if their understanding is incomplete and, perhaps, even wrong in some respects. Who am I to say they are not saved. And, furthermore, the world will be changed and become a better place. God, open our hearts and our minds to your Spirit.

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